Yes, quite possibly, actually. I mean, we -- those who say we have -- it's difficult to argue with those who say we do have two presses. I think that's true. Although I'm not sure the gap -- the difference between the Evening Standard and the Independent is that great. But no, I mean, I take your point. That is arguable.
It seems to me that we have a lot of what you might call tittle-tattle in our daily papers, whereas on the continent, so far as I can see, it's much more in the weekly press which presents different issues for our daily press.
Yes, I do think it's a -- they are -- you know, the red tops, for example, are in a different ball game.