We'll come onto that, I promise. Can I ask you about another practice, please, and that's called pinging, the practice of pinging. This is the tracking of a mobile phone in order it would ascertain where its user is located. Sean spoke to the New York Times about this practice and it's behind your tab 5. For everyone else, I've caused to be handed out the relevant article. It's at the back of the clip that I've handed out. It's on the third page of that particular article. Again, I'll read it out:
"A former showbiz reporter for the News of the World, Sean Hoare, who was fired in 2005, said that when he worked there, pinging cost the paper nearly $500 on each occasion. He first found out how the practice worked, he said, when he was scrambling to find someone and was told that one of the news desk editors [I'm not going to read out the name] could help. This person asked for the person's cell phone number and returned later with information showing the person's precise location in Scotland, Mr Hoare said. Mr X, who faces questioning by police on a separate matter, did not return calls for comment."
I'm going to read the top of the next page if I can:
"A former Scotland Yard officer said the individual who provided the information could have been one of a small group entitled to authorise pay and request, or a lower level officer who duped his superiors into thinking that the request was related to a criminal case. Mr Hoare said the fact that it was a police officer was clear from his exchange with X:
"'I thought it was remarkable and asked him how he did it and he said, "It's the old bill, isn't it",' he recalled, noting that the term is common slang in Britain for the police. 'At that point, you don't ask questions,' he said."
The article then goes on to report that a second former editor at the page backed Mr Hoare's account. I don't think we need to read the rest of that.
What I want to ask you about is if he ever spoke to you about this particular practice and if so, what he said.