Well, they don't have an open-door policy, so you can't walk down Scotland Yard and walk in and have a cup of tea with someone instantaneously. So the only means if they're not calling a press conference is to phone them.
Often the Yard, in my experience, released precious little information about major crime and it was quite hard work getting information out of them, like pulling teeth on some occasions. So you had to think in your mind, prior to ringing them, what were the key elements that you wished to draw from them, and I would often write down in my notebook three questions which seemed, you know, about -- to keep things fairly simple, on a particular running crime story that I wished to pursue, and if somebody would come back with an answer to those three questions, and that can be dealt with quite well on the phone because they take note of the questions, then they go away to the senior officer, have a discussion about those questions and then come back with a response, which is either giving you extra details to those questions or telling you: "Question one is not something we wish to talk about. Question two, we can add a little bit of detail. Question three, you've got no chance. We're not going near that."
So it would be on that level. Then obviously -- in the old days, they used to hold far more press conferences than they do now and so there's much more communication. It was a good opportunity, the press conferences, to have a chat with the press officers and speak to the senior officers afterwards. So those were much better occasions and often you'd have the press conference -- the three officers would be lined up, they'd speak their bit, TV would pull off and then there would be a little chat in the back room with the senior officer in the case on an off-the-record basis, with CRA status or not. I was quite lucky because I knew the crime guys -- Mike Sullivan, Jeff Edwards, John Twomey -- and often it wouldn't matter whether I was a CRA member or not. I would be involved in those briefings.