The transcripts of the official inquiry into the culture, practices and ethics of the press.
Sure. It wasn't just me who experienced this phenomenon of reporters or paparazzi coming around instead of a policeman. Other people who had been in the public eye who I used to have this conversation with complained of exactly the same thing.
All I know is that for a number of years, although it did get better in recent years, if someone like me called the police for a burglary, a mugging, something in the street, something that happened to me or my girlfriend, the chances are that a photographer or reporter ...
I'm not quite sure where supposition blends into evidence, but --
From the police to the press.
Yes. They were.
When she told me about the next day, I immediately called my lawyer and we agreed to get the police onto it, which we did, but at the last moment Tinglan, the mother, probably rightly in retrospect, said, "Let's not do that because there's always a chance of ...
Okay, I'm sorry.
Well, we held them off for a surprisingly long time. After this article, they followed her around. She was a single pregnant woman, she was being tailed by paparazzi, one in particular who frightened her a lot, over the months of her pregnancy, but they didn't have anything to ...
If I'd done that, it would have drawn attention to the whole story. My overwhelming motive throughout this whole episode was to protect the mother of my child from a press storm, so anything like what you've just suggested would have been one way of alerting the media ...
I would have said nothing. There would have been no -- I wouldn't have returned the calls. No one would have returned the calls.
Thank you very much.
It's the third tab?
Obviously, I'm being stupid. I'm on the second tab --
I would imagine so, yes. I was definitely unaware they were being taken. I wish I could find the piece of paper. Give me another clue where it's in. What's the tab number?
To get access to the redacted top left-hand corner, I was told I had to ask for it formally through a court. I had to get a disclosure order from the Metropolitan Police, so I got it and it was in fact, or seemed to be, a journalist from the ...
Yes, it is.
Yes. They rang my lawyer -- the police rang my lawyer, wanted to show me some evidence. They came around and, as was one of the previous witnesses today explained, it's quite a formal thing. They get out these pages and they formally announce them, then they say, "Would you ...
I get that.
Those bits, yes, because I don't think they send McMullen to prison, so it's fine.
No, I wouldn't.
Yes, of course.
I understand that.
Ah, well that, yes.
I thought this Inquiry was full of controversy.
It's not an odd question at all, given that he'd just done this strange segue. So there's me trying to get him back on the interesting bits. It's not interesting that they bought photographs of me broken down; it's very interesting whether they were involved ...
He didn't seem drunk at all.
Had I been drinking?
As I said before, he segues in that answer straight on to photographs. He goes:
"If I take a good picture, the first person I go to is ..."
So I agree that it's strange syntax, it's a segue, but I have no reason to believe that his answer ...
Well, he segues into that, but I didn't leave anything out and, you know, if it helps, you can come around to my house and listen to the tape. I left nothing out between "... it wasn't just News of the World; it was you know, the Mail" and ...
The evidence for the Daily Mail being involved in phone hacking for me would be the article we spoke about earlier, the plummy-voiced woman, and it would be Paul McMullen's answer to this question.
But I'm not a lawyer. I'm allowed to ask leading questions.
I do have a problem with that. I feel like I did my revenge number on Paul McMullen, and I -- for me, that's the issue closed with him, and when I've had now two separate police inquiries, the one into police corruption and the other one into phone ...
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