It was very small. This was in 2002. There weren't very many ethnic minority journalists. I'm not pretending it was in any way a quantitative study. There was a very small number and it was looking for something quite specific, so it was just -- I was quite surprised by the impact.
I mean, the second research I did was -- again it was looking -- because it was looking for how people -- looking for working methods, so there was probably about -- I think it was six people in three different newsrooms, but they were all quite -- from different levels within the newsrooms. Different ages and different backgrounds.
So again I'm not pretend -- I never suggested it was a huge sample. It was qualitative research and it was looking at what people's experiences were and what was interesting was it came up completely unbidden.