It's not an odd question at all, given that he'd just done this strange segue. So there's me trying to get him back on the interesting bits. It's not interesting that they bought photographs of me broken down; it's very interesting whether they were involved in phone hacking or not. So what I do is I immediately -- and there's no dot dot dots here -- I say, "but would they, the Mail, buy a phone-hacked story?" To which he answers:
"For about four or five years, they've been absolutely cleaner than clean, and before that, they weren't. They were as dirty as anyone. They had the most money."