Yes, I think there is. I mean without sounding semantic about it, any discussion is a transaction. It's a transaction of views and opinions. And of course there is -- if you have a conversation between two entities, two people, parties, who both want something from each other, you have the ingredients for a transaction. I don't think you can legislate against that, but as I say, you need to guard against that becoming a means by which good government is warped and the public interest is undermined.