Yeah. I mean, look. By this point, as you say, it was perfectly clear where this was leading, and equally it was perfectly clear that most of the media were opposed to what we were doing and Mr Murdoch's titles were in favour of what we were doing, and I think it's also fair to say that the Prime Minister -- he would have appreciated that support at that time, because it was probably the most difficult decision he ever had to make. It was the most difficult period of the time that I was with him, bar none, but as I say in my statement, in terms -- I wouldn't want to put too much significance -- given all else that he was dealing with at that time, when he was speaking to presidents and prime ministers around the world the whole time, I wouldn't overstate the significance of a couple of phone calls with Rupert Murdoch.
So in terms of what I think is going on here -- and as I say, I'm relying on what I've written in my diary -- what I think is going on is that Rupert Murdoch has placed the call and Tony Blair has taken that call and Rupert Murdoch is just wanting to have a chat about what's going on. I go back to the point I made earlier: Rupert Murdoch -- one of the things that makes him different to some of the other media owners, some of whom you saw last week, is that he's a news man. He's interested in what's going on in the world. So I think that's what's going on, but I can't help you beyond that because I don't remember the call.
But certainly at that time, it was a very -- he was in a very, very difficult position and we were all -- there was -- in terms of the decisions that were being taken and the policy that was being pursued, it was hugely unpopular. We knew that. Most of the rest of the media -- either the papers on the left because they were opposed to the war, the BBC because of the dispute we'd got into with them, the right wing papers, most of them because they hated Tony Blair by then -- it was a pretty difficult media landscape, and whether Rupert Murdoch was kind of just signalling that, you know: "I'm kind of the last one standing", I don't know.
So that's all I can really give you is what I've put in my diary on that day. But according to the Cabinet Office, there were only -- between 2002 and 2005, Tony Blair spoke to Rupert Murdoch six times on the telephone. Three of those calls were during this period, and I think it's a combination of Rupert Murdoch trying to find out what's going on and also probably just saying, "You know, we're going to support you on this."
Does that help?