Well, it's -- yes, I think it should. I mean -- so when I read the code I was a little -- properly, you know, thinking about it for this -- particularly for this Inquiry -- I read it more cursorily for teaching students -- it is striking that there are parts of that code which explicitly rather strongly regulate against, prohibit some sorts of activities which have clearly been going on, as has come before this Inquiry, and I think that what needs to be done is that the people who are -- the journalists and editors and media organisation owners whose activities fall under this code need to think through more carefully how those different parts of the code bear on one another.
So it isn't -- it's partly having a clearer sense, a broader sense of the public interest and understanding the -- how free expression contributes to serving that public interest, it isn't itself the whole of the public interest, and then it's secondly recognising that although the public interest in providing information and holding people to account is very important, there are these very serious other constraints and they do need to be taken very seriously, and that freedom of expression doesn't dominate.
So, well -- and how -- well, as I say, I think that part of the problem must be the culture of the organisations. It must be that in the -- I mean, to take the phone hacking which has come before you. My amateur suspicion is there must have been people in organisations where this was going on who were aware of it and must have been concerned but didn't raise their voices. One can think of this happening in other organisations, in hospitals and so on, where things have been going on and whistle-blowing doesn't happen in this culture.
So I think there must be with a cultural issue about the capacity of people to raise concerns about when they think that certain things are being done which shouldn't be done, even though that would prevent certain things being freely expressed. So I think it's very much about this code becoming much more a lived code in organisations and an open culture in which people can express their concerns. And the editors, of course -- I've said something about the responsibility of editors and so on and part of the structural things you might do --