I'll come back to that issue but what I'd like to do is approach the issue in this way, first of all by inviting your attention to Mr Webb's evidence, which is under tab 18 in the bundle you have in front of you at page 119.
In order that we can frame this in terms of the chronology, Mr Webb left the News of the World for about 18 months in 2007, but he returned in 2009, after certain matters were resolved. Line 5, page 119 -- so we're in 2009:
"Question: Who made the approach this time, you or them?
"Answer: I phoned up [so Mr Webb phoned up]. I phoned up Neville Thurlbeck and told him the result of what had taken place but I wanted some time out until Christmas and that was it, and he told me to contact him early in the new year.
"Question: So I presume you did contact him?
"Answer: I contacted him in the early part of the new year, I think it was either first or second week in January of that -- 2009, and he told me that there's been a little bit of a hiccup, we need you to actually terminate your private investigator's licence and that the bosses require you to get -- join the NUJ.
"Question: Right. So two things. You had to relinquish your licence?
"Answer: In fact, can I just say that -- I say 'relinquish my licence'. I'd actually let it drop throughout -- when I was -- the previous year when I was actually on bail. So it had actually dropped from the system anyway.
"Question: But did Mr Thurlbeck know that?
Reading page 120, line 4:
"Question: Okay, I'll tell you the two and then you can tell me the third. Secondly, had you to get an NUJ card. And thirdly?
"Answer: Yes. Thirdly, I had to change my email address.
"Question: Right. Which was at the time?
"Answer: I'd changed it from Silent Shadow Services to Shadow Watch. "
Do you see all of that?