Thank you.

I think yes, for the ultimate breach. Obviously there would be mitigation in there, but yes.

No.

No, I would only say surveillance. It would come from surveillance. If sufficient time was put in, it will come from surveillance.

That it is a difficult one. I could only say that I would have to judge at the time. If it is a politician who may be taking bribes or may be having an affair with a -- he can be pressurised in some way, that again is a grey area ...

Yes. I would say so, yes.

Our last one was just over a year ago, we had to evict somebody from the Association. It was nothing to do with hacking or blagging, it was an argument between a client -- the member did not (a) respond to me or (b) respond to the client -- initially respond to ...

No, not with any fact.

I have no personal knowledge of it, but I presume it would be.

I was amazed at the extent of it. We all knew it was going on, but I was amazed at the extent and the unnecessity -- sorry, the unnecessariness of some of it. It just seemed to be the first point of action for some people.

Yes.

Yes, I think so. I think maybe prior to that there was a degree of -- there were a lot of as people call grey areas, I'm not too sure about that, but there were grey areas that people were making use of.

I think it's always gone on. I think it always has.

Illegal.

Once again, if it's illegal, it's illegal.

Yes, it did.

Yes.

As long as it was legal. That would be the underline.

Yes.

We'd all like to be involved, yes, we would. Every association would like to be involved. I don't think it's a job for any association.

I think it would have to be competency, but once again, to just ask for registration to get people to come forward who would not normally come forward. There are investigators out there, as I say, who are completely unaligned, members of no association, but they would like something. By ...

We'd like to see it happen. Certainly in my opinion, and I can only speak from my opinion here, this profession is in disarray, this profession is so fragmented, there are so many associations, all with a self-interest, and there are people who will not join those associations because ...

If any points are raised to any member of the GC where there may be a query, similar really to the IPI, as the last witness said, they would put out in their journal. If one of our members raises a question we will ask that prospective member in for ...

No, there are no credit checks.

No, we've not had any examples.

It would depend. That would possible go to the GC level where the GC would question the individual concerned, depending on what it was.

They will be ejected, yes.

By the very reason being that as I say, because there are so many investigators who are unaligned to any association, it's a case of bring them in, then we'll look at it. You know, like the way that there's no legislation. Any legislation will do us ...

No.

Well, we ask them, obviously, we do ask. They can lie, but we do not take up any CRBs.

No, we do not have that yet.

It's a member application with references. We have to take two references. We will check the references up. We need proof of identity, proof that they've been in business for a period of time, at least a year.

There are various categories. If they haven't been in ...

Yes. To my knowledge, we have just under 300 United Kingdom members. Sorry, just under 200 United Kingdom members. Approximately 127 overseas, of which possibly 40 are European. They're approximate figures, I've not got the exact figures here.

Although it was slightly before my time, it was as an alternative to the other associations. It has been mentioned here today that there are three associations; there are many more smaller ones, regional ones, local ones. The idea of WAPI was to try to encompass all investigators -- because the ...

Yes.

Yes, it was.

Yes, it is.

Yes, I am.

Yes, my name is Anthony Smith.