We're looking to the future. And we're looking to the recommendations you're going to make.

Our point is that it is absolutely essential to have regard to the whole marketplace, and to include not just regulations for the British press, but to have regard to the fact ...

Yes.

It is a very real and difficult problem --

Yes, it is.

Sir, our point in saying what we have done about the major players in the industry is that the large number of readers of the British press are, as we have said, migrating online to the online publications. One of the issues you have to decide, obviously ...

Thank you. I'm certainly not going to repeat the detailed submissions we've already given to you.

Sir, the scope of your Inquiry has been vast. Looking back over the last eight months, no one can fail to have been moved by the evidence of witnesses like the Dowlers ...

Thank you.

I was going to say today I can say to you that I do not expect to be any longer and properly shorter than 20 minutes.

Sir, on behalf of Associated Newspapers, we have submitted to you in writing detailed submissions and --

Yes. All I would say is the photographs that we understood were the subject of concern were taken down on the Monday and this letter, which I leave you, sir, obviously, to read, deals with the Helena photograph. I do apologise to the family, but my clients did not appreciate ...

Can I mention one matter in relation to the PCC, and that is they do have the contact numbers for managing editors, both telephone and email, for urgent inquiry and contact. I don't know, obviously, what email address was used on the Saturday. But if it was to Mr ...

May I say one thing. I am very grateful for that, but I would like to apologise if it was felt we hadn't responded to a specific issue that should have been responded to.

The position, very briefly, was that the editor of the Mail on Sunday perceived that ...

Might I just support that, please.

I adopt all of that. I don't know whether I can usefully add anything, but I think it's all been said, if I may say so.

Thank you.

Thank you. Can I just ask, would you be minded to deal with this first thing or later in the morning?

I noticed the same passage and the questions that were asked.

He hasn't. I'm not sure he was -- it was a number of items were followed up, but can I deal with that tomorrow as well?

No, sir, not at all.

But maybe it could be tomorrow.

Yes. We certainly wish to respond, if I may say so, forcibly.

Likewise, please. I think it's convenient, maybe we could deal with it tomorrow or in writing, whichever suits you, sir.

Thank you very much.

Yes, and it's in that context that you said what you had to say this morning?

-- what you had in mind was this email which is solely concerned -- it's not even his words, it's Mr Michel's words -- with the campaign of some sections of the media about the BSkyB takeover, isn't it? That's what this is about?

You were, and I'm very grateful for what you said, but when you said that his editorial policy was driven by commercial interests --

-- to Mr Dacre, just come back please to --

-- can I just, to be fair --

Thank you for that, Mr Murdoch, but --

No, no, Mr --

Yes.

Yes.

Yes, but -- sorry.

Yes. This is Mr Michel, in his words, summarising to your son James what he says had happened very recently when Mr Hunt had spoken to a number of the editors, and he is reporting in his words that:

"Paul Dacre was clear that their campaign was purely motivated for ...

I'm going to suggest you've made a mistake in reading something, and I'm going to ask, please, for a document to be put on screen, which is 001748. Mr Murdoch, this in fact is one of the emails passing between Frederic Michel and your son, which you ...

Mr Murdoch, I'm representing Associated Newspapers. There's a number of matters I could ask you, but I'm going to restrict myself to one matter, please, which is what you said this morning concerning Mr Dacre, and I think you told the Inquiry that you were very surprised ...

Thank you. Sir, may I just ask one question in relation to what was said this morning concerning Mr Dacre? I can do it quite shortly.

Thank you very much for the time and, sir, I have no questions.

There may be a few questions I would like to put to him.

I wonder, sir, could I possibly have five minutes?

Well, I think we'll just have to see how it goes, if I may say so.

Thank you very much.

I wish the matter to proceed. Mr Wright can say a lot of positive things about his own reporting and how this matter has been dealt with.

The only thing I would say, please, is this: I have not had an opportunity to put questions to Inquiry counsel in advance ...

Thank you for saying it first. The position as you know obviously is I'm back again today because the crime correspondent of the Daily Mail, Mr Wright, is here and some of what Mr Driscoll says touches very much on Mr Wright's reporting of the Stephen Lawrence matter ...

Sir, I was going to say that.

Thank you.

It's under the libel section of Mr Grant's statement.

Mr Sherborne referred to paragraph 17 of Mr Grant's statement. Can I just say I'm not going to go to it now, could I please for the record and for your note invite you to look at paragraph 11, because I believe --

I don't propose to.

Just for the record --

I'm not going to keep rising up, it's very unattractive, but the paragraph says halfway through the article "a spokesman for the couple would make no comment".

Could I just invite you to consider the time? I understand that Mr Sherborne should have some more, but before your conversation with Mr Dacre started, it was 4.40 pm. I was about to --