Thank you.

Yes, absolutely there is. There's a page on what they should and shouldn't do, sir, on the site.

Yes.

Oh, I'd just like to go into the smaller deal, and I can make a written submission to sir on the situation, but I think I want to make it quite clear that, you know, what we touched on earlier about one day a celebrity will want their privacy ...

Before the pictures -- okay. As people are uploading, there is very specific terms and conditions, which you will have had sent to the court by my personal assistant, on -- the terms and conditions of what's on the site. If we have any doubt of any picture that comes in ...

Yeah, it is a celebrity breaking news site at the foremost. It is like any another online celebrity publisher, but yes, with regard to whether it be the BBC or whether it be News International or whether it be Associated Newspapers, everyone has affility [sic]. We have a brand where ...

Look, mrpaparazzi.com is a new media celeb -- could you hear?

Yes.

Yes.

Yeah, fine. You do understand where I'm coming from, sir, that on that situation, though?

Oh, look, I've been campaigning for this for some time throughout the media, sir. Yes, absolutely, because I also think that photography -- and historically we live in a world of celebrity and several celebrities need it and want it, and very few certainly don't want it. So you ...

Yeah, absolutely, sir.

No, a "no shoot list" would be placed with someone that would regularly -- with regard to a court situation, a legal situation. Absolutely. I mean, it's no good trying to give publicity or someone courting publicity if they're going to turn around the next day -- I mean, not ...

Yes. Yes, we do.

Yes.

Look, at the end of the day, being a celebrity is a choice of the person. I've seen it from both sides of the camera, and the fact of the matter is that if you are in the public eye, you are looked up to. We live in a ...

Any legal action is concerning, especially where on one day we're doing a set-up with Naomi Campbell through her PR or management and then all of a sudden one day, the next, she's sending through some kind of legal action for privacy. The same as either someone like ...

In the case of the JK Rowling case, certainly this was the first legal situation that we had ever had, and it took -- I think it was two or three years after the pictures were taken, when anything actually happened with regard to privacy. Those pictures were on our website ...

The ones I can answer I will.

I do recall it, of course I recall it. I didn't deal with the particular situation at the time, but I'm very happy to take questions on it.

Yes.

I didn't deal with this at the particular time from a legal basis. My CEO at the time did. Do I remember it? Very vaguely.

I don't know about specific pictures that relate to that case unless you show them to me, no.

Yes.

Look, at the end of the day, I think -- it is very interesting what sir said just recently, he wants to get a whole overview of what goes on within the industry.

Now, the fact of the matter is that pictures on a boat in the middle of the Mediterranean ...

I certainly can check with my PA as soon as I get off this, certainly, sir.

I didn't say that. I have no idea what my CEO or managing directors have said at the time along the lines of those personal incidents. I'm the company chairman, I'm not in the office every day, in fact I'm in the office very rarely. I ...

There is guidance -- of course there is guidance relating to this behaviour. It would be on a regular basis to anyone coming into the company. People know where they stand with regard to the rules and regulations and our code of practice within the company, albeit I don't have ...

To the best of my knowledge, I would have to take secondary advice, I'm sorry.

No, I would certainly have to check with the CEO, but there is no doubt that photographers have been disciplined within my company for actions that the company does not adhere to with regard to their behaviour, absolutely.

Oh -- sorry?

With --

It is a huge problem, sir. It's happened on many occasions and caused us no end of grief. People either from other agencies, competitive agencies, or freelance photographers giving, number one, false names, and saying always that they're from Big Pictures. It's -- it has caused us no ...

I'm extremely familiar and it wasn't my company, and the fact of the matter was is that it was photographers using the name of my company, which has happened on a regular basis, because of the company's, I suppose, success, that we were used. I spoke to ...

Yes.

I don't know what agency -- I don't know what agency it was in that particular incident.

I don't know about the incident, I don't recall the incident occurring, from my perspective. I do recall an incident where, after Lily Allen got an injunction, the photographers -- she walked out and revealed herself and said, "You can't photograph me any more, can you?" So I ...

Two seconds, I'll be there. It's coming up. (Pause).

Yes, I do.

Look, I don't think it has changed, sir. I think that various staff photographers of national newspapers, freelance photographers all over the world, for instance, at the Royal Wedding, and recently with, you know, even the London riots when Camilla and Charles were in particular cars, car shots were ...

Look, the fact of the matter is in a news situation of someone leaving a premises, yes, I think it is within the right of a photographer to take a photograph of someone in a car.

No, madam, I think you're talking about totally different times here. Historically, the terms and conditions of photographs being taken in the press have changed over many years. We're talking about the Portland Hospital 25 years ago, where it was common practice for TV crews, camera -- staff photographers ...

Yes. And that particular situation was an isolated case where, without question, the photographers were disciplined in no uncertain terms.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

(overspeaking) I couldn't answer that question. That would have to be referred to Mr Alan Williams who was dealing with that at the time.

That particular paragraph is totally relating to different circumstances than what you're talking about. I don't agree that people should be hounded up and down the street all day in any shape or form, but I do agree that people, as a part of historical -- as a part ...

Well, I mean, at the end the fact of the matter is that celebrities court publicity when they want to court publicity and then all of a sudden they want to switch it off very, very soon after. I'm still trying to understand the question as to what you ...

Basic --

All right.