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Okay.
I don't know about that, no.
Well --
I think the main point would be: if, by their actions, they had lost us, if we hadn't been able to follow the suspect because they had picked him up and taken him off to a hotel, for instance, and then left him at the hotel or dropped him ...
Yes, very briefly.
Yes. The second objective of our surveillance was not only to look for evidence -- look for the target to go back to the scene of the crime, but it was also to make this you are that if he had intended to commit further murders, we were in a position ...
Yes. It is historically known that murder suspects, before they are arrested, before they realise they're being investigated, may return to the scene of the crime. They may try to dispose of evidence. They may try to move bodies or they may even try to commit further offences. If ...
I think that the Sunday Mirror objectives were merely to pick the suspect up, either without being seen or -- and take him to an area where he could be debriefed without being followed, so I would exclude them from this comment. I would make it sort of merely in terms ...
Yes.
Yes, that's correct.
That's correct.
I've no idea. I assume it's the same source as the original briefing.
This was to do with the same suspect. We were then told that a Sunday Mirror surveillance team -- not exactly surveillance team, but some sort of capability that allowed them to pick up the suspect and get him to a place where they could debrief him without us being able ...
Yes, we were told that they were probably ex-special forces soldiers who would have a good inside knowledge of surveillance techniques.
Yes. If they knew nothing about surveillance, they wouldn't have got anywhere near us.
Yes, on at least one occasion, I believe two occasions, there were vehicles that attempted to follow us. They were -- we identified them because they were sat in positions that we would sit in if we were doing the same job, on the outskirts of Ipswich. If you're trying ...
Yes. Once we'd been told that there was a surveillance capability looking for us -- we didn't know how many people that involved, how many cars, whether it was one guy stood on the payment or four or five vehicles -- we obviously took that into account during our surveillance ...
No, not really.
My opinion is it would have come from someone close to the investigation team, either the Suffolk murder inquiry or SOCA.
At the end of the briefing, as part of the intelligence that had been received, we assumed by Suffolk constabulary, that a News of the World surveillance team had been deployed to identify who we were and where we were based.
That is correct, yes.
The branch commander was a chap called Simon Jennings. He was in charge of SOCA generally for that area, even though the surveillance teams had come from London and Birmingham. He delivered the first half of the briefing, a kind of "welcome to the operation", basic reasons why we were ...
I was, yes.
We were briefed that the surveillance resources of Suffolk constabulary were not such that they could continue 24 hour a day surveillance on any potential suspect. We were asked to deploy two surveillance teams to the area, which we did.
It was a serial killing of five girls in the Ipswich area.
Yes, I did.
No, not normally.
They are entrusted to investigate serious organised crime. That would be drug smuggling, people trafficking, money-laundering, any other crime that was instigated by an organised crime group.
Not at all; it was entirely voluntary.
It is, yes.
David Ellis Harrison.
