Thank you.

The first -- if you refer to the PCC code of apparatus, the first point that they make in the PCC code of practice is: the press must take dare not to publish inaccurate, misleading or distorted information. That's number one on the PCC code of practice.

No, but I presume -- I mean, I belong to what I believe is the most professional journalistic institute that's available.

I've never been reported so I don't know. Presumably they --

The Institute of Journalists? Yeah, their code of practice. If somebody feels that I'm not working in an ethical manner, they can report me to the institute.

No. I belong to the Chartered Institute of Journalists, and as a member of the Chartered Institute of Journalists, I have to abide by the PCC Editors' Code of Practice. I believe also that we should abide by it.

Absolutely.

They're earlier jobs. I mean, I can give you all those examples. I mean, the guy that looks after the scrapyard that holds the Lockerbie aircraft, he was selling bits of the aircraft off to souvenir hunters. If I get a camera out and photograph him, he's not ...

If I went to interview you and I sat and I had a camera in my tie and I video'd everything that we said, the only thing that's different between that and a dictaphone is that I have pictures of you. A reporter in the normal course of ...

Right. Well, there's nothing that we would do that would break the law under RIPA.

No, it's not. If it means using a body-worn camera -- there are laws regarding surveillance. RIPA, for example, which is the Regulation of Investigative Powers Act, okay.

You have to go beyond the call of duty and be very professional with what you're doing and you have to absolutely accurate. Like I said before, there's no gain to me whether a story doesn't work or does work. I'm doing my job to prove --

One afternoon, Manchester United played Sunderland. Alex Ferguson made a comment at the end of the game in his post-match interview and said, "Alan Wiley is not fit to referee this game. He's tired, he's unfit. It's almost like he's been out to a party."

A ...

Absolutely, yeah. I've sacked two good photographers because they've not kept to my standards, which I strongly believe in. The two situations were -- I had a guy one night was out working -- this is years ago -- and he photographed a girl that was in "Big Brother", followed her ...

Yes.

It was a story that came to us from the newspaper.

Former or serving police officers? No. No. I've got -- I used to have one former police photographer -- I wasn't ever a police officer; I was a civilian member of staff, and there was one photographer who I did employ that I used to work with, who doesn't ...

So I phoned the paper back and I said, "Are you really sure that you want these to go? I've just been made a really good offer. Do you not want to reconsider?" Which they did, and they did a share with the Mail on Sunday. The People published ...

£10,000, straight away.

The couple left. I took photographs of them as they left the pub and off they went on their separate ways.

That was the end of the job. There was nothing there that really proved that they were having an intimate affair. I think it was months later a TV ...

No. We watched them discretely in the pub. A journalist joined me in the pub to watch them to see what they got up to, basically. They had drinks. There was no real intimacy, nothing that could prove an affair. They could well have been meeting for work purposes. It ...

I'm sorry.

Yes. There was a story that came into the paper that this prominent police person in charge of special operations at the time at New Scotland Yard was having an affair with somebody who worked at the Independent Police Complaints Commission. At that time, that police officer's department was ...

Yes. Yeah, that was -- I can name him, can I?

Yes.

Well, that's a very tough definition because it would have to be a public area for us to be able to get into. We wouldn't be going anywhere that was private, no, so it's not really a private environment. It's an open area. At Sandhurst, for ...

Yes.

Yes.

That marzipan would get through a bomb detector; Semtex would not.

Well, you could argue, like you say, that it's highlighting security breaches. I would have personal opinions on that.

I have, yes.

Yes.

No, they certainly weren't set up by me. There were things about those pictures that did look set up. The way Gerry McCann was carrying his daughter, for example, was a very striking image. I wouldn't know whether something had be set up with the newspaper or with ...

Yes.

No, because it doesn't work that way. We get tips from celebrities who tell us that they want to be photographed, but they want to make it look like it's not been set up for the newspaper. That is also something that happens regularly, so it doesn't ...

I have to be careful what I say because of where we are, but I recall a conversation as to where the information came from, that they were in Canada, and it came from a source close to the family. So at the time I felt it was appropriate, bearing ...

Photograph them.

The McCanns were going on holiday for the first time without Madeleine and to find them.

Yes, it was, yes.

Yes, I did.

No it would have been a 70 to 200, which it is a standard lens in anyone's Kit.

I wouldn't have taken a long lens on a foreign job, no.

I was sent to try to find the McCanns on holiday in Canada, yes.

No, I removed the website on purpose when that story came out because of the inappropriateness of the wording on the website and how out of date that website was. The website was -- "broken" is the kind of easy term to use, in 2010, because the company who made it ...

That would be totally inappropriate to take any action against that, because that person would only know that because of the job that he did.

But --

Yeah. Doormen do tip photographers off. They don't tip us off because we're not that sort of company --

Mm.

It's 12 years ago. It was a very different environment than it is now, and when that website was first created, probably it would be acceptable to have spoken in those terms. Now obviously it's totally inappropriate.

It was a mistake to put the wording on there.