I'd agree, sir, absolutely. The guidance sent to you is that the flow of information is appropriate and isn't shout down by other party would be absolutely key, would be very helpful.

The -- the charge or prospect of politicisation is one that has been made. I think we would be -- we would term that a potential. But it's clear that the proposals mean, sir, that the flow of information is absolutely crucial if those PCCs are to be held to account ...

Thank you. I think just that we were interested that Elizabeth Filkin -- one of her concerns and starting premise was that there was not enough information coming from the MPS, whilst there were allegations of inappropriate information.

I think just to reaffirm, really, that our view is that the importance ...

As I touched on there, I think the making of payments and corruption and bribery are clearly already offences and quite rightly so, and so it would seem to me that where it is alleged that that is a problem -- it's important to say we do not have evidence ...

-- we're clearly facing what I think Bill Bratton has termed "forcing on very interesting experiments with PCCs", and the press will have an absolutely crucial role, and I think press interest in policing will necessarily increase significantly. So we're entering entirely new territory here in general for police ...

Absolutely. I should say there that the -- in terms of Elizabeth Filkin's report, I think her recommendations are measured, practical and very welcome and they're very sensible. She obviously takes a far more open view to police contact. I think where my -- my response is obviously informed rather ...

That does accord with my view. I mean, I put forward the suggestion that there may be a cooling-off period but only where the staff member concerned has had access to sensitive information which might be of interest to the media but is not and should not be in the ...

That's entirely correct. Thank you.

No. You set out correctly our attitude there, that essentially our unique value is that we can provide national comments for our members, who expect us to do that on their behalf, whereas of course they can deal very adequately with their local media outlets. But in that context, we ...

My definition would be that a quote would not be attributed to me personally and that the information that I've given in those circumstances would be to inform the journalists about the situation or the events but not to provide a quote, to provide them with the background understanding ...

I mean, that is correct, the situation you've set out, thank you. There are occasions, obviously, on which I have been cleared by the chair to give a comment along lines agreed, so obviously there are conversations I have which are on the record, but we are obviously a ...

Yes, certainly. It's helped -- to be fair, we're a very small team, so it's not too onerous a task to manage.

That's correct.

Indeed. Yes, it is. I mean, that was a literal list of the preceding -- I think it was three -- it was a month, actually. It was a typical list. That -- the frequency of contacts, the number of enquiries were relatively low in that period when compared to the previous year ...

I think it's fair to say that issues of policing governance have not always excited the press in the way that they have recently. Obviously this Inquiry has been critical in that, but for ourselves the government's proposals to change entirely the government and oversight of policing in ...

That's correct.

Sorry, I'm responsible for delivering -- responding to any media enquiries and representing the organisation externally in terms of press and public affairs. So that also involves setting strategy and delivering the interaction with senior stakeholders, particularly in terms of Parliament and their associated bodies, plus the provision of practicalities ...

That's correct.

Yes.

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That's correct.

Yes, they are.

Nathan David Oley.