Thank you, sir.

It was -- probably it touched on the integrity that was mentioned about the we're a small village and I will keep bumping into the same people at different locations, at different events. You've heard from our media that it's the same for them, and if you treat ...

I think on -- sir, you asked a question yesterday about is there anything different about the way that we do things in Wales.

Yes, certainly with what we would term as critical incidents, major incidents and serious incidents, the training tends to be focused on your media strategy, the way that you interact with the media. In that training we'll bring in external reporters who will put our officers through a tough ...

That's correct.

Yes.

I hope I covered that with the example around the counter-terrorist exercise so I'm okay with that one, thank you very much.

Absolutely, sir, and the paragraph that's shown on the screen there about the people's rights and our responsibility to look after those. The last thing in the world that we'd want to do is to jeopardise any criminal investigation or to prejudice any innocent people.

Yes.

One of our officers, I think, even ended up with a following on Twitter because the community liked the way that he went about his business. We had one or two complaints, we had one or two congratulations about the way that we did business, so it was a mixed ...

Absolutely, sir, and we use it in our values and standards training where we show the behaviour, the dress of certain officers that appeared in that show, compared to other officers who were professional, they were proud of the way they went about their business, and we use it to ...

Perversely for us it was an opportunity for us to see the way that our staff behaved and to address that.

Yes.

The programme Traffic Cops, I think it's a hugely popular show, but it keeps being reshown on different satellite channels, and perhaps some of the behaviour that you see on that isn't the behaviour that you would want reflected into the wider community and the longer it goes ...

Yes, I think it's got to be proportionate and we've had experience of engaging with some programmes where we probably wished we didn't and we hadn't engaged with them.

That is correct, yes.

That's correct.

Yes.

Not in the last two years, no.

It's difficult to police, if that's the right word, and it probably would have to be a time limit around it, and if it only applied to police officers, the unfairness of it then, I think that would rankle. If it applied to other people in public office ...

Absolutely. The other thing that I would feel with that there would need to be some fairness across the police as well, so it wasn't just applying to police officers leaving their trade and moving into another area. As you say, it does happen in some other fields already.

Yes.

Yes.

And I think similar with the police and crime commissioner is where as a retired Chief Constable you could eventually become a police and crime commissioner. It's very difficult to police. I personally wouldn't fall out with something that said that there would be an expectation that I ...

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

It's not our experience that individuals have left our organisation and gone to work with media outlets and it's certainly not the experience in the corporate communications department where people tend to stay for a very long time.

I'm no legal expert, but I think that restrictive ...

No, sir, I think once you've done the one, it tends to follow the same format in terms of the time scales, the audiences, the milestones, and it's not a case of dusting the menu off the shelf, but it's a bit like the A to Z ...

Absolutely, sir. Perhaps that's a better example of -- you spoke earlier about additional briefings that you give to journalists in a large-scale inquiry, and with that particular incident we would have had a media strategy, we would have had briefings of individuals at relevant times to let them know ...

Oh yes.

And they didn't.

Yes.

Could I give you an example of an off-the-record conversation? By that I would mean it's on our record, but we'd rather it be off the media record and not recorded or presented.

Just before Christmas the year before, there was counter terrorism operation within the Cardiff area ...

Yes. I believe we have a healthy professional relationship between our local media.

I think anyone that has seen the media coverage of South Wales Police recently would say we've not put any gloss on trying to preserve the reputation of the organisation. For "reputation management", I would read for that: correcting any inaccuracies about where we've got thing wrong where ...

Yes, it was.

Both individuals are serving or have served a fairly lengthy custodial sentence.

Yes.

Yes.

Absolutely, absolutely.

And I think employees who we're moving the location of their workplace, and if they're disgruntled about that, they might say that the service that we're going to be providing will be a lesser service, when the reality is the service will be a more efficient service ...

I think sometimes it could be out of misplaced loyalty, and certainly one of the examples that we had in our anti-corruption unit was one of the examples we followed through was a member of our staff providing information to a private detective who was a previous colleague of that ...

Yes, it's one that we unfortunately feel we need to resource properly. There's eight staff that work there, a detective inspector, detective sergeant, two DCs, an investigator, an administrator and an analyst, and outside the Metropolitan Police Force, we're certainly not the second-largest police force in the ...

Yes.

Same source. It was -- each of the cases relates to information about an arrested person's address and personal circumstances. Certainly with the -- there's one that's ongoing at the moment, but with the other two it's been confirmed that it was from the court, the open source ...

It was.

Yes.

No, I suppose we're fortunate, sir, in the respect that Cath and the deputy chief constable are both active members of the communications advisory group so we get an early heads up about the current thinking that's going on within the media world, and how it relates to ...

Yes, we are, sir, in a limited extent. We have one Twitter account for each of our basic command units, but we tend to -- we have what we call ourbobby.com which is a website that each of the policing wards, policing areas, electoral wards have their own information on ...