No.

Yes, we did.

No, I don't believe it did. I think it had bigger prominence than that. Obviously I can't recall, but --

No, certainly not that I'm aware of.

A complaint was made in 2007. I was not editor at the time, although I was working at the magazine, so I can't speak for how that decision was made.

All I can say is that it was a grave mistake. Everybody who worked at the magazine, including of ...

Again the same checks and measures would have gone through, the questions would have been asked from our picture editor to the picture agency as to whether they were aware that the photo was being taken. I believe that was in a very public place. In most instances I have ...

I think that the kind of readers we have and the general public, if they see a celebrity in a public place that they like and they're excited by, I don't think it takes us to tell them to take a photo of them. I think they would ...

As with any content and any picture that goes in the magazine, we use the same conversations, the same checks and measures. So in the same way that a picture might come through to us from a picture agency, if a picture came through to us from a reader, we ...

Yes.

In that instance, yes.

Can I ask you about your Spotted section next, please. Come back to the copy that we have. Spotted is at page 38 of this week's Heat.

Because it was taken in a public place and we felt that it was a picture that was out there in the wide world. We weren't invading her privacy in printing that particular picture. The people in the office were genuinely quite shocked at how she looked in that ...

Obviously I'm editor so I'm not aware of every single circumstance of that picture, but I don't believe in that instance that we did, no.

Yes.

No, I don't have a copy.

I think, as again with everything, it's taken on a case-by-case basis. I don't think you can have any hard and fast rules. If there is a photo that lands on our picture editor's desk, one of the checkpoints that I talked about in my witness statement ...

Yes.

Firstly, the same checks would have gone through when we were deciding on buying this set of pictures, so I know, because I had various conversations with our picture editor at the time, they spoke at length to the agency about the circumstance of these pictures and the agency gave ...

Yes, it is. It's rare that we would choose to print a picture of a celebrity in a clearly private place. Simon Cowell is quite unique in that respect, I would say.

We didn't check with Simon Cowell in this instance, no. The reason being, when we were looking at any photos that come through to us that our picture editor would receive from an agency, there are various different checks that we go through, including where the photograph was taken ...

Private place.

Yes.

Not on me.

I'd agree with these guys. I don't really know the standards that they apply to their work.

Heat magazine's dealings with the PCC have always found them to be a quick and fair resolution of problems. I found their mediation between both parties to be really good, to be excellent in fact, and I think that side of how the PCC operates shouldn't be overlooked ...

They are sometimes. There's one moaning about Jordan looking like a meerkat, but they sometimes are. We don't shy away from putting complaints in there if a reader disagrees with something.

PCC complaints would come direct to the editor and then we will obviously liaise with our external lawyer about the best process to go through. Readers' complaints would go to our editorial assistant and also we have somebody who is in charge of the emails page. If there are very ...

As I say in my witness statement, I've only been editor for the last year and a couple of months. However, over the 14 years that Heat's been in existence, we've had eight PCC complaints. We rarely get complaints from readers themselves. There might be a bit ...

We will often speak to the PR and get confirmation that way rather than waiting for it to come out, but yeah, we will speak to them. We have numerous sources and we operate in the same way that a news desk would operate, so we will have sources who ...

It would be fair, yes. However, I think in some instances there are -- it depends if it's a -- again, on the circumstances. Who the celebrity is, how private they've been in the past, whether it's a celebrity couple, so both of them are famous, and that they ...

I don't think you can give any hard and fast rules of how you deal with a story. It depends very much, as does everything that we put in the magazine, on a number of factors around what we're doing, who the celebrity is, what the story is ...

Yes. And it affects magazines as well, and obviously we have -- we have a bit of a lag between when we print on the Friday and when we're out on the following Tuesday.

In general, we give prior notification to the PRs of the celebrity if we're going to run a story that might be slightly contentious or sensitive to that celebrity, yes. There are rare occasions in which you might choose not to, and that is based around the fact that ...

Because I don't think it's fair, ultimately. You know, we're all human beings and just because somebody has decided to talk about an aspect of their life in one publication once, then it doesn't mean that everybody has a right to invade their private life.

No, I definitely don't agree with the principle that once a celebrity has sold an aspect of their private life then they're open season. No, I don't agree with that at all.

For us it can be setting the record straight on a story that might have been in the wider press. It can be because they are promoting a TV show or they have music to promote. It's not that they're forced to do it, but they obviously want ...

I don't think any celebrity would agree to be in Heat magazine if they didn't want to be in Heat magazine. From my experience, most celebrities who appear in our magazine enjoy being in our magazine and so they've chosen to be.

It really varies week to week, so some weeks we might have three, four big interviews with celebrities, another week we might have one, so I don't think I can really give a percentage.

As a general rule, we try not to, because we think it's important for our readers to see the celebrity as they are, and there are certain agents who might want to rip out the personality of that interview and make the celebrity appear quite anodyne. So we have ...

Yeah.

I guess, as Rosie said, it depends on the circumstance of the celebrity at that time. It might be there's a moment in their life where they particularly don't want a photograph taken of them for whatever reason, for whatever they might be going through at the time ...

Yes.

Yes, I think it is.

No.

I think it comes with experience from working on a magazine such as ours and working with the celebrities that we write about. You generally know from speaking to their PR or from being alerted from the PCC that there are certain celebrities who are much more private than other ...

Yes, definitely.

Our picture editor has a checklist of numerous questions that they will always ask an agency if the photo appears to have been slightly intrusive. In general, most photos that we feature in the magazine would be of people on the red carpet or smiling or laughing, they're obviously ...

I think Heat magazine is probably one of the only magazines that would point out when we think a celebrity is aware of a shoot being done. So sometimes we might -- there are certain reality TV stars who make a bit of money from having set up photos, and some ...

The latter half of the magazine will be photographs that we're supplied by TV companies to go in our TV and review section, or film companies, fashion companies. Towards the front of the magazine we have some agency photographs, paparazzi photographs, that come through to our picture desk on ...

By that do you mean every type of photograph in the magazine?

I would say we have a combination of great access with celebrities who enjoy doing photoshoots or interviews with us because perhaps we might ask them slightly cheekier questions and they'll get another side of their personality across. They'll often dress up in ridiculous outfits for us that ...