No.

I'm going to refer you to your next person from Reuters who has done much better research on that.

It does have complexity. There is a right of reply in both Germany and Finland. It's not the first place that it's come up. There are different kinds of right of reply in other countries in Europe, but in both those countries it's statutory.

My feeling is ...

That is a problem. And it's not a problem that I think I can immediately solve, but I do hope you can.

That's where it would have to go to arbitration. We have two levels within the organisation. There's an ombudsman and there is arbitration. And if there is a real dispute, then it would need to go to arbitration and decision would need to be made.

But what I ...

You are absolutely right, and that's why we are saying that it should be a right of reply to do with matters of fact.

I think that where you have a specific space, which is a right of reply space, which is what I would like to see online ...

Well, what we're talking about is the paper editions -- and the home page of every news organisation always has a direct big button link to a corrections and clarifications page, where you would have brief descriptions of each correction and each clarification, and that would be linked to the ...

I think it's a problem. I'm not going to pretend it isn't a problem. I think that those who aren't signed up to the system would -- I mean, the right of reply would still exist in law, and people would be able to take that to ...

Well, I absolutely agree with that. But it's the team that has to change.

And still go on doing exactly what they do.

I think it solves a lot of problems. I think for newspapers like the Guardian, or indeed Private Eye, who is always a useful one to look at, it would be very much in the interests of Private Eye to join this organisation actually, because when they have had legal ...

It will cost them money to join, but they will also have recourse to adjudication, which will be a lot cheaper than going to court.

I don't think we need provide a carrot for a highly ethical organisation. What we're trying to get into this -- I mean, it seems to me that it's likely that the most ethical journalist organisations, who do have all this inner compliance and they have it all ...

I think that in the end they wouldn't be treated differently, because if they could do all that, if they could say, "We have these ethical standards; we have everything in place," and if they brought that to court, then the probability is that they would be able to --

What I was looking here -- and I'm glad you have somebody from the Irish Press Council coming, because what I was looking at was their ideas about the way in which membership of this organisation would not give you a complete defence, but it would be part of your ...

But I think that if you come up with a voluntary system, which does have sufficient incentive, and which has organised itself in such a way that members of the organisation are seen to be respectable organisations, I think it will join.

My worry is that this is an idea ...

I think that's unfair. I'm aware of that. I think it's a problem.

I can't see an immediate solution to the problem. If we're going to have a voluntary organisation, it seems to me that the effort has to go into corralling at least the ...

That is the idea, yes.

I believe it does. I have read that. And I was really upset to discover that Lord Black has picked it up as well. Because there is something almost surreal about somebody who says that he is ideologically opposed to the statutory regulation of the press and yet is prepared ...

So it has been looked at, and it is clearly possible, and I gather there is a similar arrangement that operates in the building industry.

If you provide a tribunal system which has a faster, shorter, cheaper means of resolving disputes, those people who are in the tent have a ...

I think that that is a very, very real problem, and I know it's exactly the problem you are grappling with. You have to have an organisation that you want people to join. How do you make them do it?

My feeling is that if you attach to it ...

That is what we are looking for. There's been a lot of debate backwards and forwards, and I know that this is the key issue: just how statutory should this be?

I think we have to be very weary of licensing the press, and I think compulsion requires licensing ...

I think if we look back at British newspapers, we get ourselves into this kind of pickle on a kind of ten-year cycle.

I think when something happens as regularly as it does in the British newspaper, you have to sort of look at what are the systemic reasons why ...

And people. Norway has the highest newspaper readership in the world I believe -- unless it's Finland.

Angela Phillips.

I have.

Thank you. The Guardian welcomes the fact that the Metropolitan Police has modified its statement from last December. The Guardian has, as we've heard, prepared its own timeline for the Inquiry which reflects its understanding of the relevant events, which it believes to be accurate. The Guardian has no ...

My understanding is it will go up on the Inquiry website at the same time.

No, sir, we don't.

Thank you.

And I think historically, just for the record, there was a previous incident in 2003 where the Guardian did threaten to resign, but not over a critical adjudication. Are you aware of that?

I'm sorry, could I just raise one point by way of clarification. I'm from the Guardian and you said that the Guardian threatened to resign over a critical adjudication.

Of course, thank you.

I think that's correct. I think at the moment because everybody is putting in what they are putting in and because nobody is seeing what everybody else is putting in, then there will need to be a process devised so that if people want to pick other people's ...

No, save that we have given to Mr Jay our note on the Milly Dowler incident.

There weren't on the way in.

I think it's very helpful, although I draw your attention to the fact that the press is absent today, and that is one of the issues that we all have to deal with, that actually the press talks to itself, and we're very glad that you've asked ...

Would you like to send it to me and I'll trial it in our newsroom, see if it works.

Ah, that would probably help.

I'll try it tomorrow.

Okay.

That's an interesting one. I'm just trying to imagine this tick-boxing happening in a busy newsroom and whether it would actually work. I think that the principles behind it are admirable and I can imagine, quite easily imagine Alan coming up with it, but I can't quite ...

I may even have the whole reference. I have the references with me.

I do, Svennevig and all the other -- Morrison and Svennevig 2002.

Yes.

He was paraphrasing Rupert Murdoch in a speech he made five or six years ago. He said the same thing. I don't think anybody really apart from News International thinks that is a reasonably good definition of public interest.

I think we have the Irish one somewhere, and that's pretty straightforward. And also research seems to indicate that people have a fairly clear understanding of what is meant when you use the phrase "public interest", and I think it needs to be -- I think the trouble with number ...

Yes. I mean, I would suggest that number 3 is quite broad, but I don't think that drafting a public interest defence is sort of beyond us. Also, we already have the Reynolds defence, which goes quite a long way in that direction anyway. So we're starting from ...

If the newspapers started behaving better, it would be a lot cheaper all around.

I gather the building industry has a form of tribunal system which operates within its own regulatory system. I'm not a lawyer and I know nothing about the building industry, but I have read that this is a possibility.