I quoted in my evidence the editor of the Press Gazette who wrote -- Dominic Ponsford -- who quoted somebody from one of the red tops last year talking about when you have your editor shouting at you to get a story, you lose your morality. You don't really see celebrities as being real people, you see them as a product, as a story.
We saw the same thing in the book published last year by Sharon Marshall which I've quoted as well. She's talking about ten years of working in the red tops. The pressures that you are under. And they are told in no uncertain terms that if they don't do what they are asked to do, there is no shortage of young, willing recruits who are waiting to take up the very valued and rare job that they have.
So I'm talking specifically now about life, if you like, on the kinds of national tabloid newspapers where a lot of these problems have occurred. I think it's less stark and less problematic for the majority of journalists who are working on local and regional newspapers. I think there are different problems, which very much emanate from the economic pressures that they're under, and that's more to do with reliance on public relations, what Nick Davies has called "churnalism", having to turn the stories round very quickly, but the kind of ethical problems, which is what's driven this Inquiry in the first place, very much concentrated on the national tabloids, I don't think is something that you can actually teach someone to deal with.
That is in the end a matter of your individual moral courage as to whether you feel you can afford to put your head above the parapet and say no.