I find there are two elements we come back to in this debate, where the role of the state becomes of interest. One is -- we've just discussed it -- the area of compulsion and membership and so forth, and the other is money. I think that we will hear, we are hearing a great many projects for press regulation, but I think that if they don't answer those two questions about compulsion and -- then, you know, they're not answers. I would love to think there was an alternative, but I can't see how those two questions could be answered without some involvement by the state.
On the first point, I would say that when he came before you at the seminars, Paul Dacre, on the point of membership, as it were, he said something similar. He said that he would be looking for the help of Parliament, as it were, on that point, and I think the same is true with the money.