No, this is -- as I said, I cannot recall. The reason I went into the then-editor's office is really quite straightforward. Piers had made his name being probably the most successful showbusiness journalist in recent memory and knew a lot of celebrities and agents personally outside his professional capacity. We'd had this information came in, and I thought rather than going around the houses and knowing that Piers knew Ulrika and her agent well, I thought -- and he did this quite regularly. If there was a celebrity that he knew and that we had a story about, I'd go: "Can you make the call?" because it cuts through the agents and all the other periphery, and I think as he goes on to say is that he did call the agent, who confirmed the story and then he came out and told me that, yes, the story was true.