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Yes, but I think that -- corporate governance, I think, frankly, aren't two words that are often used outside of the boardroom. I think that what happens is that when corporate governance leaves the boardroom in the form of systems and controls and policies and procedures, it really becomes, for the rest of the business, good management practice. That's not something I'm concerned about but I'm just saying to you that I think that that's something -- they're words that the very high level team would use, rather than lower down in the business. It doesn't mean to say they're not doing them because it's not the way that they would normally think about referring to them.

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