Public interest, please, I can pick up that theme next. It's 54664, 53719. I'm going to deal, Mr Heawood, with your points first, 53719.
You make a number of points, but one of them is that public interest should, you say, be a partial defence to otherwise unlawful activity. May I ask you to develop that point, please? Are you saying, for example, in relation to RIPA 2000, interception of communications, that there should be a public interest defence in this context?