In a democracy, it's absolutely essential that interest groups work that way. Take the health bill we've got at the moment. The doctors may be against it, others may be for it. There are debates going on. We have them in Parliament, we'll get it again today and we'll deal with controversial bills, and that's quite proper. Trade unions, I come from -- basically will come and ask for certain things they want to do and the politicians have to make up their mind what they want to do.
Now, it's from the unions -- there are people who accuse us that we do it because the unions are lined up with us. It might be the businessmen with Tories. That is the rhetoric and the debate that goes on, but you have to connect the corruption direct. When I say the corruption of press, not money. I don't think there's in any way an exchange of money.