Yes. Obviously I remember these matters fairly clearly. I received phone calls -- or my office, to start with, received phone calls -- I received phone calls from somebody at the Sun saying they wanted to talk to me about a private matter and asking to see me. By the end of the day in which that first call had been made, I had agreed to see them. I had assembled my campaign manager in the leadership campaign and my solicitor and other people and we met that person, and he then shared with me the fact that the Sun had come by information which were records of telephone calls made by me.