I don't believe he did. The meeting was relatively short because although it was a hugely important and personally difficult matter, I was in the middle of an election campaign, I had a campaign team who were working for me and I wanted to mitigate the harmful effects of whatever was happening. So there was a relatively short meeting. I didn't ask for lots of further and better particulars. I admitted straightforwardly the nature of the calls that he said he had information that I had made -- I didn't think there was any reason not to do so -- and as a result of that, then gave an interview to the Sun explaining that, which I have to say they didn't, in their title and following days, entirely accurately represent the key content of, but that's a separate issue.