Yes. They explained they'd found material, that it was material which showed he had all my personal data -- and perhaps I could come back to that in a second -- that he -- they were satisfied he had hacked into my phone and they explained in summary how that would have been done. That was consistent with what I had experienced, which I shared with them, so the two experiences married, which confirmed to them that that clearly was also true. They were clear there was incontrovertible evidence of the calls made in relation to Mulcaire and my mobile phone, and for the period up to -- well, up to August 2006, which was when they did that enquiry.
What they didn't tell me was that Mr Mulcaire not only had that phone number but he had every other phone number, address and other things. What they didn't tell me was --