The transcripts of the official inquiry into the culture, practices and ethics of the press. More…

I would accept there will be circumstances where -- once there's clarity of definition, I think, is important for the future of what "off the record" means and what it doesn't mean. There will be circumstances at the top end of the business where lives are at threat, there's a national security issue or an inquiry is about to be completely scuppered by certain behaviour, then that would be appropriate to have a conversation that was not yet at that moment to be published. I think there is a difference.

I think a more broad-brush approach, where people are making up their own rules and definitions of what this looks like, for the best intentions, is what I've found is a major gap in this -- when we carried out this piece of work, ie there's no clarity about the rules, the policies are very different, albeit well intended, and so that leaves lots of the staff with nowhere to go, in my view.

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