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Yes. I saw it as -- as I say, there were so few and occasional, and in some years there wouldn't have been any. As I say, it was -- it was not something I encouraged or wished to do, but it was -- there were certain individuals, if I wanted a few hours of their time, then it probably had to be either at their office and/or occasionally a lunch. But as I say, looking back through the diaries, some years there were none of those sorts of meetings and others, maybe two or three.

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