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I think it is, and I think what I'm trying to describe here, am describing here, is police officers behaving in a relatively human way. I mean, this is -- it's natural, in a sense, to -- otherwise gossip would not exist in the world -- for people to talk about their colleagues and all the other things that people talk about in office politics and so on, and what I'm saying here is that some people, in my view, are likely to have made the mistake of moving outside the world of office gossip to have that discussion with journalists in some instances.

I make the reference to politicians because I have heard politicians saying awful things about other politicians in front of me, somebody who isn't a politician. So it seems to be a natural human habit, but we ought to stop it.

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