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That is correct. I was slightly surprised to read this in the Guardian, and I had no recollection of this, so I thought it was correct to phone Mr Blunkett this week and ask him for his recollection, and again it fits very closely what I've just said to you, which was the conversation was about the airliners plot. The reason for the conversation, as I recollect, although I haven't confirmed this directly with him, is that we were coming under such newspaper attack about Heathrow airport that I rather liked the idea of an ex-Home Secretary, who was already writing for newspapers, saying, "Actually, it might be reasonable in these circumstances".

But before -- what I must have done is before I rang him, I must have asked a question of somebody about whether there was any evidence of Mr Blunkett being hacked, and the reason that I would have done that -- and again we are now moving into the real trying to reconstruct a conversation five years later -- is that I knew him through all the problems that he had with relationships and losing his cabinet post and then losing it again and so on, and he had the most enormous sensitivity about his personal security, including telephone security. So I think I would have asked to say, "Is Mr Blunkett's name anywhere in this before I ring him?" and I obviously got the answer no, and as I understand it, that is still the answer, that his phone is not on that list. So that's what I told him.

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