They were -- there was a few meals -- when I say "meals", there was -- I would have to check the diary for the time. There was a few meals -- there were journalists who were particularly concerned with aspects of Lawrence. The Daily Mail had run a campaign, so they had an interest. There were a variety of news outlets that dealt with minorities, from the Asian subcontinent and elsewhere. There were emerging issues around operation -- I helped initiate Operation Trident, because part of the concern in the Met in this -- and there were three major concerns: race, competence and corruption, and on the race issue there was a perception that the Met were ineffective at the time in protecting the black community, and so I had a contact with various outlets, but really these were to turn up to be interviewed, normally speaking, and move on.
Very occasionally -- and I don't have a perfect recollection but it was really very occasionally -- one of the journalists would want to -- they would want some context. They would want to be, effectively, persuaded that we were actually trying to develop, for example, a racial and violent crime taskforce, which John Grieve came to lead, that we were going to establish community safety units in boroughs that would actually go into the victimisation and change our performance in detecting crime in racial incidents.
These things needed explaining, and they had to be explained in part by somebody who was -- had some responsibility. And I do not take the credit for this. There was a big team of people -- wonderful people -- in delivering this change.
So on the margins of that, there were tea, coffee, and very few lunchtime type things or a meeting in the cafe. That was it.