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I feel that it didn't really land quite in that form. It was the meeting of two worlds. He basically suggested -- he lived in Surrey, and I think in a well-intended way he felt that Surrey hid its light under a bush, or whatever expression you like, and he offered to give some kind of seminar or some kind of presentation about the media, as it were, in the world. I think this was, from memory, some time in 2001. He and an assistant brought their view of the world and what excited and interested the media, and it was a presentation, as I recall, about the scoop on Ronnie Biggs.

Now, I had a number of senior detectives, uniform officers, people who would have to engage in serious business, and there was a degree of -- well, they understood, I suppose, why this was interesting to the Sun, but to them, this was really -- it really was not attached to their mission and it was some way removed. And in a sense -- it was perfectly civil. It was undertaken in a proper sort of lecture type facility. In a sense, they left the place thinking: "We are from a different world", and you, know: "There's a huge interest in personalities and things like that, but that's not our business."

So in one sense, they got some exposure, but in terms of how they viewed the world, it -- I don't think it changed things greatly for them, and they left -- some of them left quite perplexed, I'm quite sure.

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