The transcripts of the official inquiry into the culture, practices and ethics of the press. More…

I do see the point, sir. It really is -- clearly, I mean listening to this evidence, I accept that there is a need for -- to protect journalists and police officers alike, you need a framework of some sort, a system. I personally recognise that. But it's then -- if you like, it's how do you go about that, how do you find that middle ground or the drunken clairvoyant, as it were, the happy medium, to use that analogy, which is the crux of it, in my opinion.

I mean, I can move on at this point, Mr Jay, to the HMIC report, ask this question in the context of that, and the Elizabeth Filkin report, both of which seem to recognise that there is a requirement for a framework --

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