Um ... well, I'll just put it this way. It's -- you know, if a police officer wishes to join you as a reporter for a coffee, a tea, lunch, whatever, it can be part of that trust-building process, but I just want to reiterate it's not exclusively -- that's not the exclusive way in which trust is gained. So I've had many social occasions with police officers when it has been perfectly pleasant and if I was a reporter desperate for a story, I would have been very disappointed; actually that is not how it works. You do not go along to a meeting with a police officer expecting to get a story. If you show that, then it comes across very quickly. For me it's about gaining knowledge and context.