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Yes, but my point being that this would have been about what John Yates was -- sorry, that John Stevens was the Commissioner. John Yates, I think, was at SCD, and although it may have been John I ended up talking to, part of the reason John took the call, then or even earlier, was because I knew I was taken seriously by Sir John Stevens and Dick Fedorcio, et cetera.

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