-- which -- (Pause) Can you just bear with me one moment, Mr Wallis? I want to check I've covered a point on your first statement. (Pause)
This goes back to a point I was touching on earlier. It's my final question, Mr Wallis. This is when the News of the World were working with the police in relation to their undercover stories. What you have said in your first statement, at page 21, was this:
"In these instance and on many others, the newspaper liaised closely with the police in order to obtain precisely the evidence which was required both to enable the printing of a legally sound story but also to enable the authorities to successfully prosecute."
So what sort of information did you obtain from the police so as to obtain the evidence which might be required?