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There is already a kind of Leveson law affecting. I think you're right, and as I say, the sword of Damocles for you, I guess, if I can have the impertinence of saying that, is that, you know, there are always going to be instances. But in the main, I believe that the law has changed dramatically and that the scandal that has involved one newspaper has brought all this to a head, and at the same time, the issue of, you know, tragedies and so on and so forth -- I think there just has been significant changes.

I would not, as an executive -- I'm sorry, I left three years ago and it will not have got lighter of touch, this, anywhere. You're allowed to go knock on the door. If you have another particular reason to, you can try twice, but you don't do more than that. That has changed dramatically. And wrongdoing is wrongdoing, though, you know, and, as I say, my fear about all of this, particularly with the Met -- and I've listened to the Filkin rules, I've listened to -- there was some Deputy Commissioner who sat here. I think he had previously served in Wiltshire and Gloucestershire or somewhere. Most of the divisions in London have more officers under the local commander than in places like that. The idea that we're going to ban -- we're going to try to, if you like, have a no contact zone or only an official contact zone, it breeds a black market. It breeds potentially a problem.

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