For everyone's benefit, I will summarise what we've said, and the particular interest, for example, of Mr Watson and Dr Harris, because they do exemplify the point that I'm making.
Mr Watson, if you'll recall, was put under surveillance by the News of the World. That was confirmed by James Murdoch, who has apologised. He was put under that surveillance in order to influence what the Select Committee was doing in 2009 and since in relation to investigating the role of the press. Now, that, in my submission, falls squarely within the contacts and relationship between the press and politicians and the extent to which the conduct of each might influence the other.
Mr Watson, of course, as you'll recall -- there are other ways, if you have the email in front of you --