Okay. When we get to the sentencing hearing -- you deal with this in paragraph 18 -- counsel for Mulcaire said, and this is referred to in the transcript, that the information relating to counts 16 to 20 would not have been passed on to Mr Goodman -- pausing there, he was the royal editor after all, he wouldn't have been interested in this material -- but to the same organisation.

So that was Mr Mulcaire's own instructions to counsel.

Then Mr Justice Gross said:

"You had not dealt with Goodman but with others at News International."

Mr Justice Gross was basing that statement on what he'd been told by Mulcaire's counsel, and I suppose one might add this: a bit of common sense added in. Would you accept that?