The transcripts of the official inquiry into the culture, practices and ethics of the press. More…

Let me finish. I think there is a need to convince the public that it isn't broken, and I think obviously the press needs to do more to re-engage the trust of the public and that's why we as a company have suggested new arrangements. But I don't wish to point out the obvious, but that wasn't -- the fact that -- people were not -- people were not driven to the point of disgust by the fact that the PCC was broken. People -- the firestorm that caused this Inquiry to be set up was not caused by failures of the PCC.

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