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No, we rely -- first of all, we rely on agencies like Big, as I think Darryn said when he attended the Inquiry, to follow the rules of the PCC, particularly British celebrities. If there is something that rings alarm bells because of the way the pictures look or because of the context, then we'll ring them up and say "How were these pictures taken?" and then they'll tell us and we'll make a judgment.

Quite often it's an issue of it can be a contentious issue. We'll publish a picture, the celebrity or their agent will ring up and say, "You can't use those, they were taken in a way that was not acceptable", we'll speak to the agency and the agency will give an entirely different story and then you have to pay your money and take your choice and decide who you believe, and that's where the skill and judgment of editing comes in, I'm afraid. It isn't an exact science. If I get it wrong, then I can end up in front of the PCC or even a court.

But these -- but -- you know, I think the Inquiry has to understand the world of celebrity. First of all, there's nothing wrong with showbiz. It's not a dirty word.

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