Well, I thought the Sun and the News of the World were very vigorous newspapers, and I admired some of the techniques. What I did not admire, and I'm on permanent record about this, I absolutely deplored the invasions of privacy creating a great deal of misery for no public interest whatsoever, and I've written extensively about this. I thought that the -- while it was very difficult in the public interest to find out certain things, and I explained that in my lecture, The Half Free Press, it was extremely easy to malign and abuse somebody by spying and exposing things that were not really of any national significance but were embarrassing to these people, and I thought that was atrocious.
If I might add, we've seen the full efflorescence of this appalling cancer in the hacking stuff. That started to grow in the 1970s and it always was appalling.