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No, no, sorry, I'll take that back.

I think, as in almost all other human affairs, it depends on certain people having a lot of courage. I can't help remarking that -- I make some allusion to it -- that the one person in the narrative that I lived through who was absolutely clear about what he wanted to do is the present Minister for Justice, and who urged on those of us who were directly involved to take steps which were way beyond those that the collective wills wanted to do, and I don't want in any way to rewrite -- well, to write the history of the period in which I served in government, but I was always of the view that Mrs Thatcher belonged to that school of people identified by Ronnie Knox, the theologian, who said, "History is changed by people who say 'I believe'", and if you're going to do it in a big bang, then it's going to have to be a big person to do it.

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